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  • July 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm #8112
    weatherman
    Member

    Hi guys, I’m having trouble with my Shapeoko 2 and could use some help.

    Basic setup
    Shapeoko2 stock 500×500
    X & Y are NEMA23
    Z NEMA17
    Acme screw and Belt Drive on Z axis
    DWP611
    Power Supply is a Meanwell NES-350-24 running both the machine and TinyG
    Using Chilipeppr to send the gcode

    A little info first. I had the machine up and running ok. Made some stuff, turned out nice. The calibration on the machine was off a bit so when I came back from vacation, I set out to fix it. I was running the edge 440.14 at the time, so I upgraded to 440.16 based on suggestions I read here. I was an idiot though and thought I had all my configs saved on my backup drive, but alas when I upgraded to 440.16, it wiped everything and I couldn’t find my doc. I set off re configuring everything from scratch.

    I’m currently having problems cornering. It isn’t consistent, but it is really jerky in some cases. I needed to cut out some star knobs for a shop project. I used makercam to generate the gcode. Here is it below:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxGxWkCXMpHZYVBDMUlOWm9LS2c/view?usp=sharing

    This is a basic shape test, not much to it. Here is a video of what happens when I run the file. I just have this air cutting. It starts out fine, but then it starts jumping. I’ve tried adjusting the xjd and yjd from .001 up to .005 with no visible help.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MUarnovZxg

    You’ll notice the plywood on the waste board. I was running the main job when I somehow lost connection to the SPJS which killed the job. When I reconnected and tried to resume the program, it wouldn’t respond. I decided to scrap it and try again after I get the cornering fixed.

    I’m running 1.77 on my SPJS because it was working well. When I started re calibrating everything I saw the notes to upgrade. I upgraded to 1.83, but the machine won’t jog. It’ll connect and I hear the motors energize, but they might respond to a jog command 5-10 seconds later, or maybe not at all. I rolled back to 1.77 and its working ok.

    The other general issue I’m having is just my velocities for the x and y axis. If I set my velocity max at anything above 1200 mm/min, the machine starts jumping when I’m trying to jog. This seems low to me for some reason.

    I’m still playing around with the numbers and trying to dial in the accuracy. A 2″ test square resulted in 1.993″ in the x and 1.991 in the y. The OCD part of me says I need better, but the realist part of me says relax, it’s a hobby machine.

    Here is my latest $$ Dump. The cornering has me the most frustrated, as well as the velocities. I’m also concerned with the SPJS disconnecting. I run a good bit of inlay pieces on projects and I can’t have the system stopping every job.

    Sorry for the long post, just wanted to make sure I had all the details out there. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

    Brian

    [fb] firmware build 440.16
    [fv] firmware version 0.97
    [hp] hardware platform 1.00
    [hv] hardware version 8.00
    [id] TinyG ID 3X3566-2FU
    [ja] junction acceleration 100000 mm
    [ct] chordal tolerance 0.0100 mm
    [sl] soft limit enable 0
    [st] switch type 0 [0=NO,1=NC]
    [mt] motor idle timeout 2.00 Sec
    [ej] enable json mode 0 [0=text,1=JSON]
    [jv] json verbosity 1 [0=silent,1=footer,2=messages,3=configs,4=linenum,5=verbose]
    [js] json serialize style 1 [0=relaxed,1=strict]
    [tv] text verbosity 1 [0=silent,1=verbose]
    [qv] queue report verbosity 1 [0=off,1=single,2=triple]
    [sv] status report verbosity 2 [0=off,1=filtered,2=verbose]
    [si] status interval 250 ms
    [ec] expand LF to CRLF on TX 0 [0=off,1=on]
    [ee] enable echo 0 [0=off,1=on]
    [ex] enable flow control 1 [0=off,1=XON/XOFF, 2=RTS/CTS]
    [baud] USB baud rate 5 [1=9600,2=19200,3=38400,4=57600,5=115200,6=230400]
    [net] network mode 0 [0=master]
    [gpl] default gcode plane 0 [0=G17,1=G18,2=G19]
    [gun] default gcode units mode 1 [0=G20,1=G21]
    [gco] default gcode coord system 1 [1-6 (G54-G59)]
    [gpa] default gcode path control 2 [0=G61,1=G61.1,2=G64]
    [gdi] default gcode distance mode 0 [0=G90,1=G91]
    [1ma] m1 map to axis 0 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [1sa] m1 step angle 1.800 deg
    [1tr] m1 travel per revolution 40.0000 mm
    [1mi] m1 microsteps 8 [1,2,4,8]
    [1po] m1 polarity 0 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [1pm] m1 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [2ma] m2 map to axis 1 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [2sa] m2 step angle 1.800 deg
    [2tr] m2 travel per revolution 40.0000 mm
    [2mi] m2 microsteps 8 [1,2,4,8]
    [2po] m2 polarity 1 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [2pm] m2 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [3ma] m3 map to axis 2 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [3sa] m3 step angle 1.800 deg
    [3tr] m3 travel per revolution 2.1170 mm
    [3mi] m3 microsteps 4 [1,2,4,8]
    [3po] m3 polarity 1 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [3pm] m3 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [4ma] m4 map to axis 3 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [4sa] m4 step angle 1.800 deg
    [4tr] m4 travel per revolution 360.0000 mm
    [4mi] m4 microsteps 8 [1,2,4,8]
    [4po] m4 polarity 0 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [4pm] m4 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [xam] x axis mode 1 [standard]
    [xvm] x velocity maximum 1200 mm/min
    [xfr] x feedrate maximum 1200 mm/min
    [xtn] x travel minimum 0.000 mm
    [xtm] x travel maximum 290.000 mm
    [xjm] x jerk maximum 500 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [xjh] x jerk homing 10000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [xjd] x junction deviation 0.1000 mm (larger is faster)
    [xsn] x switch min 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [xsx] x switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [xsv] x search velocity 1000 mm/min
    [xlv] x latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [xlb] x latch backoff 5.000 mm
    [xzb] x zero backoff 3.000 mm
    [yam] y axis mode 1 [standard]
    [yvm] y velocity maximum 1200 mm/min
    [yfr] y feedrate maximum 1200 mm/min
    [ytn] y travel minimum 0.000 mm
    [ytm] y travel maximum 312.000 mm
    [yjm] y jerk maximum 500 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [yjh] y jerk homing 10000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [yjd] y junction deviation 0.1000 mm (larger is faster)
    [ysn] y switch min 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [ysx] y switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [ysv] y search velocity 1000 mm/min
    [ylv] y latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [ylb] y latch backoff 5.000 mm
    [yzb] y zero backoff 3.000 mm
    [zam] z axis mode 1 [standard]
    [zvm] z velocity maximum 800 mm/min
    [zfr] z feedrate maximum 800 mm/min
    [ztn] z travel minimum 0.000 mm
    [ztm] z travel maximum 75.000 mm
    [zjm] z jerk maximum 500 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [zjh] z jerk homing 10000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [zjd] z junction deviation 0.0100 mm (larger is faster)
    [zsn] z switch min 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [zsx] z switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [zsv] z search velocity 300 mm/min
    [zlv] z latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [zlb] z latch backoff 5.000 mm
    [zzb] z zero backoff 3.000 mm
    [aam] a axis mode 3 [radius]
    [avm] a velocity maximum 230400 deg/min
    [afr] a feedrate maximum 230400 deg/min
    [atn] a travel minimum -1.000 deg
    [atm] a travel maximum -1.000 deg
    [ajm] a jerk maximum 5760 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [ajh] a jerk homing 11520 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [ajd] a junction deviation 0.0500 deg (larger is faster)
    [ara] a radius value 0.1990 deg
    [asn] a switch min 1 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [asx] a switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [asv] a search velocity 600 deg/min
    [alv] a latch velocity 100 deg/min
    [alb] a latch backoff 5.000 deg
    [azb] a zero backoff 2.000 deg
    [bam] b axis mode 0 [disabled]
    [bvm] b velocity maximum 3600 deg/min
    [bfr] b feedrate maximum 3600 deg/min
    [btn] b travel minimum -1.000 deg
    [btm] b travel maximum -1.000 deg
    [bjm] b jerk maximum 20 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [bjd] b junction deviation 0.0500 deg (larger is faster)
    [bra] b radius value 1.0000 deg
    [cam] c axis mode 0 [disabled]
    [cvm] c velocity maximum 3600 deg/min
    [cfr] c feedrate maximum 3600 deg/min
    [ctn] c travel minimum -1.000 deg
    [ctm] c travel maximum -1.000 deg
    [cjm] c jerk maximum 20 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [cjd] c junction deviation 0.0500 deg (larger is faster)
    [cra] c radius value 1.0000 deg
    [p1frq] pwm frequency 100 Hz
    [p1csl] pwm cw speed lo 1000 RPM
    [p1csh] pwm cw speed hi 2000 RPM
    [p1cpl] pwm cw phase lo 0.125 [0..1]
    [p1cph] pwm cw phase hi 0.200 [0..1]
    [p1wsl] pwm ccw speed lo 1000 RPM
    [p1wsh] pwm ccw speed hi 2000 RPM
    [p1wpl] pwm ccw phase lo 0.125 [0..1]
    [p1wph] pwm ccw phase hi 0.200 [0..1]
    [p1pof] pwm phase off 0.100 [0..1]
    [g54x] g54 x offset -9.413 mm
    [g54y] g54 y offset -19.731 mm
    [g54z] g54 z offset -35.517 mm
    [g54a] g54 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g54b] g54 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g54c] g54 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g55x] g55 x offset 75.000 mm
    [g55y] g55 y offset 75.000 mm
    [g55z] g55 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g55a] g55 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g55b] g55 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g55c] g55 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g56x] g56 x offset 0.000 mm
    [g56y] g56 y offset 0.000 mm
    [g56z] g56 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g56a] g56 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g56b] g56 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g56c] g56 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g57x] g57 x offset 0.000 mm
    [g57y] g57 y offset 0.000 mm
    [g57z] g57 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g57a] g57 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g57b] g57 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g57c] g57 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g58x] g58 x offset 0.000 mm
    [g58y] g58 y offset 0.000 mm
    [g58z] g58 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g58a] g58 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g58b] g58 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g58c] g58 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g59x] g59 x offset 0.000 mm
    [g59y] g59 y offset 0.000 mm
    [g59z] g59 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g59a] g59 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g59b] g59 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g59c] g59 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g92x] g92 x offset 0.000 mm
    [g92y] g92 y offset 0.000 mm
    [g92z] g92 z offset 0.000 mm
    [g92a] g92 a offset 0.000 deg
    [g92b] g92 b offset 0.000 deg
    [g92c] g92 c offset 0.000 deg
    [g28x] g28 x position 0.000 mm
    [g28y] g28 y position 0.000 mm
    [g28z] g28 z position 0.000 mm
    [g28a] g28 a position 0.000 deg
    [g28b] g28 b position 0.000 deg
    [g28c] g28 c position 0.000 deg
    [g30x] g30 x position 0.000 mm
    [g30y] g30 y position 0.000 mm
    [g30z] g30 z position 0.000 mm
    [g30a] g30 a position 0.000 deg
    [g30b] g30 b position 0.000 deg
    [g30c] g30 c position 0.000 deg

    July 27, 2015 at 11:14 pm #8114
    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    Is there a reason you have the motors set up for X-Y-Z-A, rather than X-Y-Yr-Z, which is more typical for SH2 setups?
    Two NEMA23s on one driver could be marginal.

    Try these jerk values:

    $xjm=5000
    $yjm=5000
    $Zjm=50
    $zjh=500

    Yours are on the low side.

    SPJS 1.77 is rather old.
    Can your try 1.80?
    What OS are you running SPJS on?
    Are you sure you had selected the tinyG buffer management when starting/connecting with SPJS 1.83?

    Here is a set of configs I rum on my NEMA17 SH2 (X-Y-Yr-Z), perhaps they will help.

    Note that I had motors disabled when I made that copy – you should use $_pm=2 as you have them.
    Also, use $ja=2000000, mine is low at 1000000

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by cmcgrath5035.
    July 28, 2015 at 5:24 am #8117
    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    FW 440.17 was posted last night.
    I suggest you load that before proceeding, it has bug fix for parameter setting and you have a lot of that to do.
    See:

    August 13, 2015 at 12:01 am #8231
    weatherman
    Member

    Sorry it’s been a while. I had to go out of town for a while and I’m just not getting back around to working on the machine.

    I have upgraded the firmware to 440.18 and SPJS to 1.80. I also rewired the machine so that each Y axis stepper is on it’s own driver. I used many of the settings you mentioned above and have been trying to tweak them to work better. I have run into an interesting, and frustrating problem.

    I can test the jogs via the cp widget and the machine will move fine. I’ll go into the settings and make adjustments, save them, and then the fun begins. I’ll go back to the jog setting, and lets say I press the left arrow to move -x. The machine will move in the +x. If I hit it again, it does the same thing. I can then press the right arrow for the +x and it’ll move +. Now I can press the -x and it’ll move correctly.

    If I try it with the Y, it’s worse. After changing and saving a setting, I can press the down button for -y. The right motor will move + and the left motor will move -, which racks the machine into a bind. The only way to correct it is the same as before. Jog in the opposite direction once, then both directional keys will then work.

    As you can imagine, this is quite frustrating. Once I get the settings correct I shouldn’t have to adjust them again and all will be fine. Until the next firmware update and I have to do this all over again.

    Here is a video of it in action. Ignore the garage, it’s a mess right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqUADy0ijbU&feature=youtu.be

    August 13, 2015 at 7:26 am #8232
    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    FW 440.19 is now available, upgrade when you can.
    It addresses a corner case in Arc processing and is not directly related to your issues, I believe

    I can test the jogs via the cp widget and the machine will move fine. I’ll go into the settings and make adjustments, save them, and then the fun begins.

    I assume you are using the configuretinyG widget?
    I am not 100% sure if that widget is working properly given all the recent changes in CP and tinyG FW.

    Try this:
    1. Exit CP, kill the SPJS process
    2. reset (push button) tinyG
    3. Restart SPJS and CP
    4. Reconnect to tinyG
    5. Jogging working again?
    6. Post a $$ dump for review
    7. Try making your parameter changes one at a time on the Serial Port Console widget.
    8. That work better?

    August 13, 2015 at 11:09 am #8234
    Alex_b
    Member

    Hi,

    I have been having this EXACT same issue. I was originally using JSON 1.80 and 440.18 of TinyG firmware. Whenever I saved new configuration setting, the axes would reverse themselves. For instance when homing right after saving a new setting, the 2 Y-axis motors would suddenly be different polarities and start grinding the belt and twisting the gantry.

    To fix I would need to jog back and forth a few times then the direction would correct itself. I have also been having jerky motion as mentioned previously, sometimes the gcode would experience stalls and slowdowns. For example an easy 200mm/min move would move perfectly fine one minute, then all of a sudden slow to 6mm/min velocity like it just hit the brakes. This slowdown also always occurs at the end of every job on the last few 10s of lines of gcode.

    I have tried every last combo of every single setting in the gcode options widget to no avail. TinyG settings below:

    // Response from $$ Command
    [fb] firmware build 440.18
    [fv] firmware version 0.97
    [hp] hardware platform 1.00
    [hv] hardware version 8.00
    [id] TinyG ID 3X3566-MPF
    [ja] junction acceleration 100000 mm
    [ct] chordal tolerance 0.0100 mm
    [sl] soft limit enable 0
    [st] switch type 1 [0=NO,1=NC]
    [mt] motor idle timeout 2.00 Sec
    [ej] enable json mode 0 [0=text,1=JSON]
    [jv] json verbosity 1 [0=silent,1=footer,2=messages,3=configs,4=linenum,5=verbose]
    [js] json serialize style 1 [0=relaxed,1=strict]
    [tv] text verbosity 1 [0=silent,1=verbose]
    [qv] queue report verbosity 1 [0=off,1=single,2=triple]
    [sv] status report verbosity 1 [0=off,1=filtered,2=verbose]
    [si] status interval 250 ms
    [ec] expand LF to CRLF on TX 0 [0=off,1=on]
    [ee] enable echo 0 [0=off,1=on]
    [ex] enable flow control 1 [0=off,1=XON/XOFF, 2=RTS/CTS]
    [baud] USB baud rate 5 [1=9600,2=19200,3=38400,4=57600,5=115200,6=230400]
    [net] network mode 0 [0=master]
    [gpl] default gcode plane 0 [0=G17,1=G18,2=G19]
    [gun] default gcode units mode 1 [0=G20,1=G21]
    [gco] default gcode coord system 1 [1-6 (G54-G59)]
    [gpa] default gcode path control 2 [0=G61,1=G61.1,2=G64]
    [gdi] default gcode distance mode 0 [0=G90,1=G91]
    [1ma] m1 map to axis 1 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [1sa] m1 step angle 1.800 deg
    [1tr] m1 travel per revolution 60.0000 mm
    [1mi] m1 microsteps 2 [1,2,4,8]
    [1po] m1 polarity 1 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [1pm] m1 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [2ma] m2 map to axis 1 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [2sa] m2 step angle 1.800 deg
    [2tr] m2 travel per revolution 60.0000 mm
    [2mi] m2 microsteps 2 [1,2,4,8]
    [2po] m2 polarity 0 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [2pm] m2 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [3ma] m3 map to axis 0 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [3sa] m3 step angle 1.800 deg
    [3tr] m3 travel per revolution 60.0000 mm
    [3mi] m3 microsteps 2 [1,2,4,8]
    [3po] m3 polarity 1 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [3pm] m3 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [4ma] m4 map to axis 2 [0=X,1=Y,2=Z…]
    [4sa] m4 step angle 1.800 deg
    [4tr] m4 travel per revolution 8.0000 mm
    [4mi] m4 microsteps 1 [1,2,4,8]
    [4po] m4 polarity 0 [0=normal,1=reverse]
    [4pm] m4 power management 2 [0=disabled,1=always on,2=in cycle,3=when moving]
    [xam] x axis mode 1 [standard]
    [xvm] x velocity maximum 2500 mm/min
    [xfr] x feedrate maximum 5000 mm/min
    [xtn] x travel minimum 0.000 mm
    [xtm] x travel maximum 860.000 mm
    [xjm] x jerk maximum 1000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [xjh] x jerk homing 3000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [xjd] x junction deviation 0.0200 mm (larger is faster)
    [xsn] x switch min 1 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [xsx] x switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [xsv] x search velocity 350 mm/min
    [xlv] x latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [xlb] x latch backoff 15.000 mm
    [xzb] x zero backoff 3.000 mm
    [yam] y axis mode 1 [standard]
    [yvm] y velocity maximum 2500 mm/min
    [yfr] y feedrate maximum 5000 mm/min
    [ytn] y travel minimum 0.000 mm
    [ytm] y travel maximum 1210.000 mm
    [yjm] y jerk maximum 1000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [yjh] y jerk homing 5000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [yjd] y junction deviation 0.0200 mm (larger is faster)
    [ysn] y switch min 1 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [ysx] y switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [ysv] y search velocity 350 mm/min
    [ylv] y latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [ylb] y latch backoff 20.000 mm
    [yzb] y zero backoff 3.000 mm
    [zam] z axis mode 1 [standard]
    [zvm] z velocity maximum 1000 mm/min
    [zfr] z feedrate maximum 2000 mm/min
    [ztn] z travel minimum -75.000 mm
    [ztm] z travel maximum 0.000 mm
    [zjm] z jerk maximum 250 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [zjh] z jerk homing 1000 mm/min^3 * 1 million
    [zjd] z junction deviation 0.0100 mm (larger is faster)
    [zsn] z switch min 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [zsx] z switch max 1 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [zsv] z search velocity 200 mm/min
    [zlv] z latch velocity 100 mm/min
    [zlb] z latch backoff 3.000 mm
    [zzb] z zero backoff 2.000 mm
    [aam] a axis mode 0 [disabled]
    [avm] a velocity maximum 0 deg/min
    [afr] a feedrate maximum 0 deg/min
    [atn] a travel minimum 0.000 deg
    [atm] a travel maximum 0.000 deg
    [ajm] a jerk maximum 0 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [ajh] a jerk homing 0 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [ajd] a junction deviation 0.0000 deg (larger is faster)
    [ara] a radius value 0.0000 deg
    [asn] a switch min 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [asx] a switch max 0 [0=off,1=homing,2=limit,3=limit+homing]
    [asv] a search velocity 0 deg/min
    [alv] a latch velocity 0 deg/min
    [alb] a latch backoff 0.000 deg
    [azb] a zero backoff 0.000 deg
    [bam] b axis mode 0 [disabled]
    [bvm] b velocity maximum 3600 deg/min
    [bfr] b feedrate maximum 3600 deg/min
    [btn] b travel minimum -1.000 deg
    [btm] b travel maximum -1.000 deg
    [bjm] b jerk maximum 20 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [bjd] b junction deviation 0.0500 deg (larger is faster)
    [bra] b radius value 1.0000 deg
    [cam] c axis mode 0 [disabled]
    [cvm] c velocity maximum 3600 deg/min
    [cfr] c feedrate maximum 3600 deg/min
    [ctn] c travel minimum -1.000 deg
    [ctm] c travel maximum -1.000 deg
    [cjm] c jerk maximum 20 deg/min^3 * 1 million
    [cjd] c junction deviation 0.0500 deg (larger is faster)
    [cra] c radius value 1.0000 deg
    [p1frq] pwm frequency 100 Hz
    [p1csl] pwm cw speed lo 1000 RPM
    [p1csh] pwm cw speed hi 2000 RPM
    [p1cpl] pwm cw phase lo 0.125 [0..1]
    [p1cph] pwm cw phase hi 0.200 [0..1]
    [p1wsl] pwm ccw speed lo 1000 RPM
    [p1wsh] pwm ccw speed hi 2000 RPM
    [p1wpl] pwm ccw phase lo 0.125 [0..1]
    [p1wph] pwm ccw phase hi 0.200 [0..1]
    [p1pof] pwm phase off 0.100 [0..1]

    Sorry to spam even more but recently after upgrading to SPJS 1.83, Chilipeppr will no longer send any commands to TinyG even though it seems to connect perfectly. Coolterm has zero issues connecting though which is very strange.

    In short I’m having identical issues to the poster above.

    August 13, 2015 at 9:42 pm #8236
    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    Alex
    What sort of machine do your have, just curious?
    $_tr=60 and minimal microstepping sort of unusual around here, but
    the settings are legitimate.
    It is, for sure, a big machine, based on $xtm and $ytm.

    How do you define “connecting perfectly” ?

    When connections initiated, do $ and $pos commands return reasonable responses?

    August 14, 2015 at 10:49 am #8240
    Alex_b
    Member

    Hi,
    Thanks a lot for the reply! Here are some quick updates to this issue as some of it has been resolved. The problems with the gcode stuttering and stalling really began after using the new firmware updater tool to the latest master (440.18). After this update the stalling started, json 1.83 would show a connection at the bottom-right widget of Chillipeppr, no errors would appear in the serial console, but it would not take commands (including resets or any $ command) and would not save any new configurations. The steps I took next are below:

    1) re-flashed 380.xx of the firmware using avrdude. (the oldest firmware i could find on the github tinyg page)
    2) then flashed 440.19 using avrdude. (added “-e” command to the line in DOS prompt)

    This has seemed to fix the stuttering and slow gcode problem. v1.80 of json server runs the gode very speedy now and has no issues saving new configs. The machine takes the jog commands nearly instantly without delay.

    v1.83 of json server runs the gcode speedy once it finally buffers. (exact same values in gcode settings widget but buffers much slower than v1.80) Also all jog commands are about 1 secound delayed as well as any other command going to the machine including feedholds, flush, etc.

    Both v.180 and v1.83 continue to reverse polarities of all axes after saving a new machine config. The ONLY way that seems to quickly fix this is to jog a short move back and forth a couple times which seems to reset the polarities.

    As for the machine, it is a custom built OpenBuilds OX, with 262oz-in steppers, dual-y, gt3 pulleys and 2.2kw water cooled spindle. (hence the need for the half microstepping, needed the extra torque to make sure the heavier X/Z gantry does not miss steps. An aside, during the deceleration/stuttering/stalling issue, I did try other microstep levels and manually adjusted the current to each motor and the effect was absolutely nil, the issue persisted at all levels of motor current. Machine pic below.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/u3j0jry7llccypr/2015-08-08%2021.29.54.jpg?dl=0

    The main reason I’m using TinyG is the individual constant jerk acceleration customization as this feature puts this motion control in competition with other heavy hitters for an absolute fraction of the price, however these weird issues sometimes pop up that are borderline machine breaking if not caught right away(polarity reversals, etc.)

    Thx for the help!

    August 14, 2015 at 7:25 pm #8241
    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    Thanks for the info.
    Some items for the devs to review, some unusual behavior.

    August 14, 2015 at 8:08 pm #8242
    Riley
    Keymaster

    Hey Alex,

    In chilipeppr can you paste in the console the first jog (like in the video) then you changed the settings, then you tried to jog again in the same direction,

    Can you give me the whole console output from chilipeppr (you might have to toggle the “filter” on the serialport widget to get both issued commands and responses. Go ahead and paste them in here. I want to verify that cp is sending the correct direction commands.

    August 17, 2015 at 12:46 am #8248
    Alex_b
    Member

    Hi, I’m not sure if I filtered this right but here is the serial output below. Jogged the y back and forth 1 mm before and after a new save. I’m in json v1.80

    G91 G0 Y1
    G90
    G91 G0 Y-1
    G90
    G91 G0 Y1
    G90
    {“x”:{“am”:1,”sn”:3,”vm”:5000,”sx”:0,”fr”:5000,”sv”:350,”tm”:860,”lv”:100,”tn”:0,”lb”:15,”jd”:0.05,”zb”:3,”jm”:1000,”jh”:4000}}
    {“y”:{“am”:1,”sn”:3,”vm”:5000,”sx”:0,”fr”:5000,”sv”:350,”tm”:1210,”lv”:100,”tn”:0,”lb”:15,”jd”:0.05,”zb”:3,”jm”:1000,”jh”:5000}}
    {“z”:{“am”:1,”sn”:0,”vm”:2000,”sx”:3,”fr”:2000,”sv”:250,”tm”:0,”lv”:100,”tn”:-75,”lb”:3,”jd”:0.05,”zb”:3,”jm”:2000,”jh”:7000}}
    {“a”:{“am”:0,”sn”:1,”vm”:25920,”sx”:0,”fr”:12960,”sv”:2000,”tm”:-1,”lv”:2000,”tn”:-1,”lb”:5,”jd”:0.1,”zb”:2,”jm”:324000,”jh”:324000,”ra”:5.305}}
    {“1”:{“ma”:1,”pm”:2,”po”:1,”tr”:60,”mi”:2,”sa”:1.8}}
    {“2”:{“ma”:1,”pm”:2,”po”:0,”tr”:60,”mi”:2,”sa”:1.8}}
    {“3”:{“ma”:0,”pm”:2,”po”:1,”tr”:60,”mi”:2,”sa”:1.8}}
    {“4”:{“ma”:2,”pm”:2,”po”:0,”tr”:8,”mi”:2,”sa”:1.8}}
    G91 G0 Y1 <————-goes backwards in(-) direction
    G90
    G91 G0 Y-1 <————-goes backwards in(-) direction AGAIN
    G90
    G91 G0 Y1 <————-goes forwards in(+) direction
    G90

    This has to be repeated for every axis otherwise any positive move in Z, for example, will plunge into the table. If this action is not cleared, by
    the back and forth jog, any gcode run will keep the screwed up setting and get up to all sorts of shenanigans as soon as I press ‘play’. The dual y motors on the first jog after a new save will twist the gantry until the 2nd jog command is sent. Another thing I noticed is that the gantry will continue to twist until a reversed jog command is sent, if I sent the same jog command over and over again, it will continue the incorrect movement.

    Hope this info helps. Thx!

    August 17, 2015 at 6:27 pm #8249
    weatherman
    Member

    A little update from me. I flashed to 440.19 and updated the parameters via the console instead of the widget and the jogs are correct. I tried via the widget and half the time the setting wouldn’t even save at all. It was very hit and miss, and when it did, the jogs were backwards.

    I did some playing with my velocities and jogs and stumbled across something interesting. I’ve been working in mm since everything I’ve read says TinyG works better that way. Any xvm/yvm value greater than 1200 mm/min and jogs on the machine jump and stumble…until you put Chilipeppr in Inch mode. I’ve ran the velocities to 5000 mm/min, changed over to Inch mode and it jogs smooth as glass. I’m using the jog widget at 1.

    I got to thinking, maybe there was a change in the way Chilipeppr buffers the jog commands? I changed back to MM and changed to the Custom jog to 10 and it works smooth on MM mode now. It’s weird, prior to the update to 440.16 I didn’t have to put it on custom 10 to get smooth jogs.

    I still need to adjust my travel values as they’re a bit off. I tried to cut a 1″ circle and it came out to .97″. Similar values with a .25″ pocket cut. They came out about .22″. Should I drop my 1tr/2tr/3tr values down a hair? They’re at 40 right now.

    The only other thing I’ve noticed is it is still having problems with some curves. Some jump and stall while others are smooth.

    August 17, 2015 at 7:00 pm #8250
    weatherman
    Member

    Well son of a b. I just tried changing my 1tr/2tr/3tr values via the console, same way I’ve been changing everything today. Wouldn’t you know, I jogged the machine right before changing the tr values. I changed the tr, then went back to the jog and it inverted the polarity on one of my y motors, racking the machine yet again. I’ve tried in in both the X & Y. Same as before, I can clear it by jogging in the opposite direction. This last time, I sent the tr commands again, but didn’t change anything. Here are the lines:

    [1tr] m1 travel per revolution 40.0000 mm
    tinyg [mm] ok>
    $2tr=40
    {“ej”:””}
    [2tr] m2 travel per revolution 40.0000 mm
    tinyg [mm] ok>
    $3tr=40
    {“ej”:””}
    [3tr] m3 travel per revolution 40.0000 mm
    tinyg [mm] ok>
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    {“qr”:””}
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    G91 G0 X-10
    G90
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    {“qr”:””}
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    G91 G0 X10
    G90
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    !
    %

    {“qr”:””}
    {“qr”:””}

    The commands show the correct orientation. First was a +X move, then -X, then +X again. The problem is the machine moved – the first and second time, and finally + again the third time.

    This is driving me crazy. It worked fine all day, I take a break to grab a drink and it goes crazy.

    August 19, 2015 at 10:13 am #8252
    alden
    Member

    You might want to make sure all your motor connections are good. A sign of a bad motor connection is that the direction can appear to be random.

    August 24, 2015 at 6:03 pm #8666
    weatherman
    Member

    I went through and rechecked all motor connections. They’re good. The problem is the direction isn’t random. I can repeat the behavior with the same parameters.

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