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  • #7176
    byllc
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    I noticed today that the surface of my aluminum mac book seems to cary a slight charge when plugged in to the tinyG via usb. It’s very subtle but it’s definitely there and it goes away when I unplug the USB cable.

    I’m running tinyg with a 240W 24V power supply from Inventables https://www.inventables.com/technologies/enclosed-power-supply with these NEMA 23 (140 OZ Inch) motors.

    I am using all four motor drivers as well as zmax, xmax and ymax. HEre is a fan plugged in to the Shapeoko but it never spins (thats another issue I’ve been meaning to ask about)

    Any thoughts?

    #7179
    cmcgrath5035
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    For tinyG V8, the Motor Voltage (for you, 24V) Ground Lead becomes connected to tinyG ground, and thereby USB connector shield and ground wire.

    Reference Schematics can be found here (Pages 1 and 2)

    If I had to guess, you will find the slight potential difference (“charge”) exists between the Negative lead of the 24V power supply and your work environment.
    Possible reasons for this are too numerous to cover here, obviously include a defective power supply but could be as subtle as asymmetry in you incoming line voltage(240V AC ). Do you have an AC mains ground connected to the Power Supply input?
    You could contact the Inventables folks, ask about how the 24V output is referenced to input ground lead.

    There could be an issue in the MAC end as well.

    Since you are running 240V input, I’ll guess you are not in North America.
    Other power related issues in your area?

    A suggested test: do you have a spare in-line Laptop power supply (or similar)in the 12-30 V DC range? tinyG will function over that range, but motors will probably be starved for current so don’t try to run a real job. You could substitute that supply for your 24V supply. Make sure you have the polarity correct.

    Without saying, be careful. If you are unsure what you are doing, perhaps a local computer repair shop could evaluate the 24V supply output for foreign voltages.

    I generally run my CNC equipment in my shop (North America, 120V) connected to an in-line Ground Fault Interrupter (GFI), which will help protect yourself, but won’t “fix” a defective supply. Always a good option if available to you.

    As the guy who taught me TV repair back in the 1960s said, when “working on exposed circuits, when in doubt, keep both hands in your pockets – don’t touch anything”.

    Your fan issue – Jumpers set correctly for 12 or 24V fan? see

    #7180
    byllc
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    cmcgrath5035 Thanks for the response. Im actually in North America so I’m running at 110. My power supply is 240W and I think thats where you got the 240 from. I do have the AC ground attached. I suppose it is possible that the wall outlet is not properly grounded though and I will check that. I also have the ground attached to the metal enclosure I am using.

    As far as the fan is concerned I do have the jumper in place already but I’ve never gotten it to spin, it may be a bad fan, It’s possible I powered it up without the jumper at some point.

    Thanks again.

    #7182
    cmcgrath5035
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    Doh, sorry, you are correct on 240W becoming 220V. I read it too quickly.

    Fan – the fan voltage selector is J12 (Schematic pg2) simply selecting Vmot or 12V on board regulator, so starting without jumper would not damage anything. Do you have a voltmeter to check voltage on J11?

    I am assuming that you meant the fan is plugged into tinyG, by the way.

    I sort of doubt you would feel a DC charge on your laptop (even 48V hardly tingles most people)), which makes me think first of some sort of AC voltage, but from where? Do you have a Multimeter available?

    #7183
    byllc
    Member

    I got the fan working, your confirmation that it should work if the jumper was set prompted me to check under the shrink tubing on the fan cable and sure enough, one lead had come undone.

    As far as the voltage that I can feel on my laptop. It really is subtle. Its a very feint tingle, I almost thought I was imagining it until I confirmed by unplugging and plugging back in the usb cable. If it is AC, I am with you on that one “From Where?” The tinyg has 24v DC run to it. Although my power supply and estop switch is inside one of these
    http://www.home-security-systems-answers.com/images/disable-the-alarm-020.jpg

    The AC ground cable is grounded to the ground point on the power supply as well as being bolted to this case. Is it possible that ground is somehow finding it’s way to the tinyg g? I’m going to see if I have one of those GFI testers around or grab one from the hardware store tomorrow to test the outlet.

    I am using the case so that I can eventually mount a 48V 400W power supply for my spindle in there as well.

    I do have a couple multimeters laying around. I rarely deal with more than 3.3 or 5 volts situations so thats why I decide to start asking questions. I’ll see if I can get some sense of the charge that is occurring.

    Thanks Again.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 11 months ago by byllc.
    #7186
    cmcgrath5035
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    You may find this item helpful as a backgrounder:

    I took a quick look at a pile of in-line power bricks in my experiment stash, a collection of old laptop, router and usb peripheral power units.
    Some have two wire mains cords, with non-polarized plugs, and some have 3 wire (hot-neutral-GND) cords, all output a “floating” DC voltage.

    So a possible scenario is that your MAC bricks’ DC- is parasitically coupled to the hot lead while the CNC supply DC- is parasitically coupled to the neutral side, OR vice-versa.
    There is no good reason to assume that the parasitic coupling is the same magnitude with the two supplies or that the phase of the parasitic voltage is the same. And, in fact, the parasitic voltage could be mostly 60 cycle harmonics or could be at switching supply frequency (typically 15KHz or higher), or a combination.

    I would guess that you might get the same tingle if you were to touch the DC- lead of the 24V power supply, but the resistance of a finger touching a small screw head vs a palm resting on a large aluminum plate (your laptop case) will be quite different, as would the magnitude of the tingle.

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